If Jesus didn't exist then many other ancient characters didn't EXIST either Plato,Alexander the Great etc. could be a figment of the imagination of their followers after all there a lot less external testimonies for them than there are for Jesus.
raymond frantz
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Did Jesus really exist?
by slimboyfat ini had been wondering over the past few years whether there really was a historical jesus at all, until a few months ago when i read bart ehrman's latest book "did jesus exist?
" initially i was persuaded by his argument that the nt contains multiple sources that testify to jesus' existence.
but more recently i have been reading the christ myth position of richard carrier and his responses to ehrman.
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raymond frantz
the internet and the free trafic of information in a scale never been seen before is a factor that helps many Witnesses to "awake" and see the lies and manipulation this will only increase in intensity as the years go by .The new GB lack any of the charisma of their predessesors ,it is not hard to see even for stupid Witnesses .The Condi court case and the storm of new pedophile scandals that will cost hundrends of millions in payouts and the slowing down of donations and the reaching out for priviledges of new ones .Put all this together and you have already a storm in the making .Yes it will take decades but it will happen
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gingerbread ,brilliantly worded "internal atrophy" is here to stay
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A Phone Call With Watchtower Headquarters on Baptism
by raymond frantz ina phone call with watchtower headquarters on baptism .
i would like to say i big well done to jwstruggle for his consistent battle against the wt .this video is worth watching ,as the baptism issue is i think one of the greatest issues today in the jw deceptions of their flock .it shows also that these guys are not interested in listening or changing one thing about their doctrines or policies .they are happy to carry on disfellowshiping people for as long as it takes to silence the opposition .thousand of families will in effect break down.
sadly this is a self serving machine that will not stop for no one .talking to them ,try to reason with them is a pure waste of time .. do you want results ?if you 're still in .
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frankiespeakin I don't believe in organized religion and even more in top down organisations ,I believe every single Witness can make a difference especially in Western World without even having to talk to them ,stop the donations report them for their charitable status and see if they'll start listening to the flock
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A Phone Call With Watchtower Headquarters on Baptism
by raymond frantz ina phone call with watchtower headquarters on baptism .
i would like to say i big well done to jwstruggle for his consistent battle against the wt .this video is worth watching ,as the baptism issue is i think one of the greatest issues today in the jw deceptions of their flock .it shows also that these guys are not interested in listening or changing one thing about their doctrines or policies .they are happy to carry on disfellowshiping people for as long as it takes to silence the opposition .thousand of families will in effect break down.
sadly this is a self serving machine that will not stop for no one .talking to them ,try to reason with them is a pure waste of time .. do you want results ?if you 're still in .
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raymond frantz
whether consciously or subconsiously in the end it comes down to :Do I really want to stand up for the truth and kicked out of Bethel OR shut up and ignore the issues and live rent free ,99% choose the second .I don't care about the Bethelites they can't help our struggle
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A Phone Call With Watchtower Headquarters on Baptism
by raymond frantz ina phone call with watchtower headquarters on baptism .
i would like to say i big well done to jwstruggle for his consistent battle against the wt .this video is worth watching ,as the baptism issue is i think one of the greatest issues today in the jw deceptions of their flock .it shows also that these guys are not interested in listening or changing one thing about their doctrines or policies .they are happy to carry on disfellowshiping people for as long as it takes to silence the opposition .thousand of families will in effect break down.
sadly this is a self serving machine that will not stop for no one .talking to them ,try to reason with them is a pure waste of time .. do you want results ?if you 're still in .
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Thanks Londo111 I didn't know that was already posted I'll check it now
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A Phone Call With Watchtower Headquarters on Baptism
by raymond frantz ina phone call with watchtower headquarters on baptism .
i would like to say i big well done to jwstruggle for his consistent battle against the wt .this video is worth watching ,as the baptism issue is i think one of the greatest issues today in the jw deceptions of their flock .it shows also that these guys are not interested in listening or changing one thing about their doctrines or policies .they are happy to carry on disfellowshiping people for as long as it takes to silence the opposition .thousand of families will in effect break down.
sadly this is a self serving machine that will not stop for no one .talking to them ,try to reason with them is a pure waste of time .. do you want results ?if you 're still in .
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A Phone Call With Watchtower Headquarters on Baptism
I would like to say I big Well Done to jwstruggle for his consistent battle against the WT .This video is worth watching ,as the baptism issue is I think one of the greatest issues today in the JW deceptions of their flock .It shows also that these guys are not interested in listening or changing one thing about their doctrines or policies .They are happy to carry on disfellowshiping people for as long as it takes to silence the opposition .Thousand of families will in effect break down. Sadly this is a self serving machine that will not stop for no one .Talking to them ,try to reason with them is a PURE WASTE OF TIME .
Do you want results ?If you 're still in
- STOP DONATING
- STOP VOLUNTEERING FOR ANY BUILDING OR OTHER PROJECT
- STOP REACHING OUT FOR PRIVILEDGES
- PLACE A FORMAL COMPLAINT TO THE CHARITY COMMISION OF YOUR COUNTRY AGAINST THEM
- STOP THE MONEY FLOW ON ALL EUROPEAN COUNTRIES ,THIS IS WHAT IS KEEPING THIS VILE ORGANIZATION ALIVE!
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Asking for money...AGAIN
by raymond frantz ini live in the uk ,a letter was read as local announcements on thursday about the relocation of london bethel and the need to donate (yes they are blatantly asking the flock )..more money .considering the fact the london bethel is located in one of the most expensive areas of london ,the sale of of these buildings will bring in hundrends of millions of pounds in revenue.there is no need asking for more money .as one poster posted here 11 years ago on the same project that nows seems to be going ahead the conservative estimates are that they will get approx 193.5m for the site (inc bittacy hill) and the new greenfield site (whichever) wil cost less that 35m.
whip up the building committes and up it goes foc (materials are estimated @ 9.23m).that was an estimate 11 years ago..so my question is did you had this letter read in your local announcements recently?
i see a pattern emerging also the sale and relocation of bethel houses build in prime land that are worth alot of money to less expensive areas and the generation of million of pounds in income .so not only makinf money off local refurfrfbrisment projects but milking it off bethel homes sale.
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I remember being asked to work in a new Bethel construction back in the early ninenties ina European country I can't reveal .Hundrends of local brothers spend there 2 years volunteering to build a new Bethel home .The pattern was similar SELL the prime location in the capital of the previous Bethel Home and relocate outside the capital .You have to understand most of the brothers there are not living off benefits or pretend to be disable so they can pioneer like in Britain (I know many British brothers are hard working brothers but sadly is not always the case) .They work long hours for minimum wages that barely make ends meet ,on top of that out of faith they offered to volunteer endless weeekends to build this new Bethel .Finally two years later the new Bethel was ready but they couldn't sell the old one .Surprisingly they were given more money to sell the new one! Guess what they did ? They sold the new Bethel and moved the Bethel family back in the old Bethel .That pissed off many and personally made me sick to the bone. I knew then something is terribly wrong in the organization... The excuse ? They had to move operations to another more stable country .Jehovah's direction ! BUllshit!!!
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Asking for money...AGAIN
by raymond frantz ini live in the uk ,a letter was read as local announcements on thursday about the relocation of london bethel and the need to donate (yes they are blatantly asking the flock )..more money .considering the fact the london bethel is located in one of the most expensive areas of london ,the sale of of these buildings will bring in hundrends of millions of pounds in revenue.there is no need asking for more money .as one poster posted here 11 years ago on the same project that nows seems to be going ahead the conservative estimates are that they will get approx 193.5m for the site (inc bittacy hill) and the new greenfield site (whichever) wil cost less that 35m.
whip up the building committes and up it goes foc (materials are estimated @ 9.23m).that was an estimate 11 years ago..so my question is did you had this letter read in your local announcements recently?
i see a pattern emerging also the sale and relocation of bethel houses build in prime land that are worth alot of money to less expensive areas and the generation of million of pounds in income .so not only makinf money off local refurfrfbrisment projects but milking it off bethel homes sale.
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do you have the threads to these letters here ?
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Asking for money...AGAIN
by raymond frantz ini live in the uk ,a letter was read as local announcements on thursday about the relocation of london bethel and the need to donate (yes they are blatantly asking the flock )..more money .considering the fact the london bethel is located in one of the most expensive areas of london ,the sale of of these buildings will bring in hundrends of millions of pounds in revenue.there is no need asking for more money .as one poster posted here 11 years ago on the same project that nows seems to be going ahead the conservative estimates are that they will get approx 193.5m for the site (inc bittacy hill) and the new greenfield site (whichever) wil cost less that 35m.
whip up the building committes and up it goes foc (materials are estimated @ 9.23m).that was an estimate 11 years ago..so my question is did you had this letter read in your local announcements recently?
i see a pattern emerging also the sale and relocation of bethel houses build in prime land that are worth alot of money to less expensive areas and the generation of million of pounds in income .so not only makinf money off local refurfrfbrisment projects but milking it off bethel homes sale.
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I live in the UK ,a letter was read as local announcements on Thursday about the relocation of London Bethel and the need to donate (yes they are blatantly asking the flock )..more money .Considering the fact the London Bethel is located in one of the most expensive areas of London ,the sale of of these buildings will bring in hundrends of millions of pounds in revenue.There is no need asking for more money .As one poster posted here 11 years ago on the same project that nows seems to be going ahead the conservative estimates are that they will get approx £193.5m for the site (inc Bittacy Hill) and the new Greenfield site (whichever) wil cost less that £35m. Whip up the building committes and up it goes FOC (Materials are estimated @ £9.23m).That was an estimate 11 years ago..So my question is did you had this letter read in your local announcements recently? I see a pattern emerging also the sale and relocation of bethel houses build in prime land that are worth alot of money to less expensive areas and the generation of million of pounds in income .So not only makinf money off local refurfrfbrisment projects but milking it off Bethel homes sale. Your thoughts...